This week, we launched Machine Gods , the new AI podcast we’ve been working on for the last few months in partnership with NPR. In our first episode , we catch up on misbehaving AI agents, the government’s response, and the sloppelganger stealing Kevin’s book sales on Amazon. And in our second episode, we invite two recently fired OpenAI safety researchers to tell us their side of the story — and what they worry about now that they’re no longer at the company.

One of the best things about starting a company — particularly a media company — is that it lets you take a way of seeing the world and build a home for it. As co-hosts, we don’t agree on everything. But we’re very much aligned on an approach we call AI realism .…