Dame Dash is reflecting on young Jay-Z and Kanye West getting dismissed by record labels before striking it big as music icons.

Dame, the co-founder of now-defunct hip-hop label, Roc-A-Fella Records, was on a recent episode of Culture Builders. He discussed music executives passing on Jay-Z in the 1990s, including Kevin Liles and Def Jam co-founder Rick Rubin .

“I shopped Jay-Z and every single person said no,” Dame said around the 15-minute mark below, later claiming that retired music executive Sylvia Rhone argued with him over Jay-Z.

“The only thing I could get from him traditional, which was a single deal with Patrick Moxey,” Dame continued. “So it was like, ‘Yo, these dudes are dumb.’”

“This is how you know corporate’s dumb.…